Outside of a big wave of fentanyl hitting europe, what might happen? Can the Wa state (burmese narco state) replace Afghanistan, also if they do will they actually be producing opium or do you guys think they will start producing fentanyl instead? I was thinking it woudnt be too hard for them to get fentanyl precursor from China due to proximity.
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What is gonna happen when the Afghan opium stockpiles run dry?
- Thread starter DXMmybeloved
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its still growing there
just not nearly as much as before
growth is slowly coming back
theres still not such a big shortage where supply is effected
just not nearly as much as before
growth is slowly coming back
theres still not such a big shortage where supply is effected
- By loadingST
Now fent is dropping the number of addicts, demand will be a lower, and soon will there be new big wave of afgan/iran/pakistan heroin of more hifh quality, as we have seen in the years, the producers make the crude and fast H in there, with lots of plant material left in it and some byproducts, very soon all jobless farmers, will also find a way, its bussines there from 100 y
correct
quality is weaker than 10/15 years ago been told by many old school smokers
quality is weaker than 10/15 years ago been told by many old school smokers
That will not be good.
Someone thinks playing with fentanyl it's like playing Russian roulette; especially if you're getting opioid pills or heroin, you're not expecting to have fentanyl in all you just want to have the original intended opioid
But if Afghan poppies go down; there's always the Golden triangle of Southeast Asia, jungles of Africa, forests in eastern Europe and jungles of South America or Latin America .... Or if you're lucky enough to have pharmaceutical connections in America or Europe, but drugs haven't been lenient as I used to be as in decades ago
Someone thinks playing with fentanyl it's like playing Russian roulette; especially if you're getting opioid pills or heroin, you're not expecting to have fentanyl in all you just want to have the original intended opioid
But if Afghan poppies go down; there's always the Golden triangle of Southeast Asia, jungles of Africa, forests in eastern Europe and jungles of South America or Latin America .... Or if you're lucky enough to have pharmaceutical connections in America or Europe, but drugs haven't been lenient as I used to be as in decades ago
- By miner21
I hope it doesn't all turn to fent, ot just seems to be the trend. I would pay more if I knew I was getting an unadulterated product
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- By Chemtrail
And you know those half-ass crooks out there that are slanging n hustling, for the sake of money they're not going to want to tell you it's fentanyl and have you be scared away ..
And plus another bad point is apparently a very very very very small amount of fentanyl can be made into small like oxycontin pills and the $1 fentanyl had just turned into a $100 totally synthetic deadly opiate (4-boc-piperidone ~)
I'm with you buddy I rather have the old regular heroin like back in the day
And plus another bad point is apparently a very very very very small amount of fentanyl can be made into small like oxycontin pills and the $1 fentanyl had just turned into a $100 totally synthetic deadly opiate (4-boc-piperidone ~)
I'm with you buddy I rather have the old regular heroin like back in the day
- By Chemtrail
Yeah I don't like the idea of adding fentanyl to my close to natural Brown heroin
I believe it's not necessary
* I hope the government's fear on the fentanyl crisis don't get more tightened or stricter on the borders and customs control or airport mailing . Making the x-rays more strict and he will find a golden needle in a haystack! Lord forbid
I believe it's not necessary
* I hope the government's fear on the fentanyl crisis don't get more tightened or stricter on the borders and customs control or airport mailing . Making the x-rays more strict and he will find a golden needle in a haystack! Lord forbid
Most of the illegally produced fentanyl represents a highly hazardous drug, much more so then heroin, which itself can be a deadly. So many people die daily, simply because the actual fentanyl concentrations in the final products are unknown and extremely variable. Also, it is usually full of various contaminants and adulterants (including deadly nitazenes), in addition to heroin itself (very often).
These mixtures are made by the people who know nothing of fentanyl potency, and have no means, nor the desire to prepare the proper, and reasonably save products for the end users.
However, pharmaceutical fentanyl is highly efficient and widely used opioid drug, both as injectable solutions and fentanyl patches, and it is used regularly and safely, by millions of patients worldwide.
Those who produce super pure fentanyl (>99.5%, the one far above the actual pharmaceutical grade, which is slightly above 98% pure), and do so outside the legal framework, know exactly how to produce the proper mixtures (with 100% potency of heroin) and have a lot of satisfied (and alive) customers.
Super pure fentanyl (as a citrate salt), a substance well-known to the manufacturing experts (free flowing, snow-white micro-crystals) is then mixed with heroin (titrated to 85-90% purity) in a ratio 1:50, as it is about 50 times more potent then heron. Thus, 100 mg of the mixture, contains 2 (or up to 3) mg of the pure fentanyl citrate and ~100 mg of heroine (85-90% purity), and is about two times more potent than the same amount of heroin alone. It is suitable and reasonable safe for injections, just as the regular heroin (the actual amount used, depends on the customer’s habits and tolerance). In practice, the use of heroine in the mixture is not mandatory, as lidocaine and other solid diluent (about 100 mg per 2-3 mg of the above fentanyl) produce the mixture of the same potency. Generally, snuffing is preferred to injections. Also, the powdered mixture can be placed in mouth, below the tongue, and waiting to be gradually absorb through the mucose. The experience is exactly like a heroin, albeit it last somewhat shorter (it is a drawback, but also a benefit, as it reduces the risk of spontaneous stop of breathing, a common cause of complications and death among heroin users).
Thus, the customers need not to experience any adverse effects, let alone to die from fentanyl. It is all up to the irresponsible and unprofessional manufactures, and even worse dealers. If the whole chain works professionally, including the end users, it is no riskier than heroin, even less. And some chains do work exactly that way, thought not that often, unfortunately.
NOTE: The recreational use of any opioid, heroin or anything else, is not recommended to anyone. If some wants to try it nevertheless, they should start with the very small amounts and by sniffing, not injections! All the opioid users gradually develop dependence which is very difficulty to cure! And the acute risks always exist, particularly the above mentioned stopping of spontaneous breathing (and the resulting complications, including death).
These mixtures are made by the people who know nothing of fentanyl potency, and have no means, nor the desire to prepare the proper, and reasonably save products for the end users.
However, pharmaceutical fentanyl is highly efficient and widely used opioid drug, both as injectable solutions and fentanyl patches, and it is used regularly and safely, by millions of patients worldwide.
Those who produce super pure fentanyl (>99.5%, the one far above the actual pharmaceutical grade, which is slightly above 98% pure), and do so outside the legal framework, know exactly how to produce the proper mixtures (with 100% potency of heroin) and have a lot of satisfied (and alive) customers.
Super pure fentanyl (as a citrate salt), a substance well-known to the manufacturing experts (free flowing, snow-white micro-crystals) is then mixed with heroin (titrated to 85-90% purity) in a ratio 1:50, as it is about 50 times more potent then heron. Thus, 100 mg of the mixture, contains 2 (or up to 3) mg of the pure fentanyl citrate and ~100 mg of heroine (85-90% purity), and is about two times more potent than the same amount of heroin alone. It is suitable and reasonable safe for injections, just as the regular heroin (the actual amount used, depends on the customer’s habits and tolerance). In practice, the use of heroine in the mixture is not mandatory, as lidocaine and other solid diluent (about 100 mg per 2-3 mg of the above fentanyl) produce the mixture of the same potency. Generally, snuffing is preferred to injections. Also, the powdered mixture can be placed in mouth, below the tongue, and waiting to be gradually absorb through the mucose. The experience is exactly like a heroin, albeit it last somewhat shorter (it is a drawback, but also a benefit, as it reduces the risk of spontaneous stop of breathing, a common cause of complications and death among heroin users).
Thus, the customers need not to experience any adverse effects, let alone to die from fentanyl. It is all up to the irresponsible and unprofessional manufactures, and even worse dealers. If the whole chain works professionally, including the end users, it is no riskier than heroin, even less. And some chains do work exactly that way, thought not that often, unfortunately.
NOTE: The recreational use of any opioid, heroin or anything else, is not recommended to anyone. If some wants to try it nevertheless, they should start with the very small amounts and by sniffing, not injections! All the opioid users gradually develop dependence which is very difficulty to cure! And the acute risks always exist, particularly the above mentioned stopping of spontaneous breathing (and the resulting complications, including death).
The benefit for the end user are great when heroin is mixed with fentanyl, but any novice woud overdose almost imediatly, so its a knife with two sharp sides. I dislike fent as a smoker, nothinkis close to the heroin deffect in my experience, im researching and seeing people say they woud pay higher for pure end product, then go and buy from the cheap adulterered heroin, so i think heroin in europe have enough high price now, its even higher then ever.
It may be noted that 4-Boc piperidone (chemical name: terc-butyl 4-oxopiperidine-1-carboxilate) is a widely used precursor in fentanyl production, in parallel to many others. However, only bad amateurs, or complete ignorants would use them (actually many of them do), simply because those procedure are widely known from the web, and are crudely replicated in a basement or toilet “laboratories”, often totally wrongly.
All good fentanyl synthesis start from 2-phenethyl amine (or its precursors) and methyl (or ethyl) acrylate, producing, in three steps (including acid hydrolisis) 1-phenethylpiperidin-4-one). There are special protocols to do the condenzation (Dieckmann) at room temperature. The resulting product (1-phenethylpiperidin-4-one), is then condensed with aniline in the presence of a reducing agent (sodium cyanoborohydride works, but is far inferior to the others, in each and every respect) and the obtained 1-phenethyl-N-phenylpiperidin-4-amine is then acylated using propionic acid anhydride or chloride. The citrate salt is eventually precipitated from a citric acid solution (sometimes, oxalic acidis used in place of citric acid). This is the general procedure procedure that all profesionals always use, there is no need for the expensive “Chinese” intermediates, and all sorts of “junck” intermediates, which do work to some extent, but are utterly unneeded.
Stories of good fentanyl and its mixtures (including substitutes to oxycodone or a carefully dosed mixtures) rarely come to light, because they work fine (more or less) and the customers are satisfied, mainly. They rarely overdose unintentially, even less die from it. It should be noted that most opioids are not taken orally ( oxycodone is an exception, as it is well absorbed when ingested) because they are typically not readily absorbed in the digestive tract, and their action is often unpredictable, often causing the obstipation. Thus, alcoholic solutions of opium (opium solution in alcohol) are still used as a legal medication in many countries, to reduced diarrhea, when needed urgently. (There are better drugs fot that purpose, e.g. loperamidre).
And many similar drugs, includind cis-3-methyl fentanyl and carfentanil can be produced and used relatively safety, using the related, though more complex procedures. This is what the experts do all the time, efficiently and quetly.
Note: no one should used any opioid drug recreationally, even the prescription ones, they are harmfull, both acutelly and chronically.
All good fentanyl synthesis start from 2-phenethyl amine (or its precursors) and methyl (or ethyl) acrylate, producing, in three steps (including acid hydrolisis) 1-phenethylpiperidin-4-one). There are special protocols to do the condenzation (Dieckmann) at room temperature. The resulting product (1-phenethylpiperidin-4-one), is then condensed with aniline in the presence of a reducing agent (sodium cyanoborohydride works, but is far inferior to the others, in each and every respect) and the obtained 1-phenethyl-N-phenylpiperidin-4-amine is then acylated using propionic acid anhydride or chloride. The citrate salt is eventually precipitated from a citric acid solution (sometimes, oxalic acidis used in place of citric acid). This is the general procedure procedure that all profesionals always use, there is no need for the expensive “Chinese” intermediates, and all sorts of “junck” intermediates, which do work to some extent, but are utterly unneeded.
Stories of good fentanyl and its mixtures (including substitutes to oxycodone or a carefully dosed mixtures) rarely come to light, because they work fine (more or less) and the customers are satisfied, mainly. They rarely overdose unintentially, even less die from it. It should be noted that most opioids are not taken orally ( oxycodone is an exception, as it is well absorbed when ingested) because they are typically not readily absorbed in the digestive tract, and their action is often unpredictable, often causing the obstipation. Thus, alcoholic solutions of opium (opium solution in alcohol) are still used as a legal medication in many countries, to reduced diarrhea, when needed urgently. (There are better drugs fot that purpose, e.g. loperamidre).
And many similar drugs, includind cis-3-methyl fentanyl and carfentanil can be produced and used relatively safety, using the related, though more complex procedures. This is what the experts do all the time, efficiently and quetly.
Note: no one should used any opioid drug recreationally, even the prescription ones, they are harmfull, both acutelly and chronically.
