Methylamine Freebase Solution Preparation

[G.Patton]

Introduction​

This post is written with a purpose to explain how to prepare methylamine freebase aqueous (cas 74-89-5) and methanol (cas 74-89-5) solution with known concentration from methylamine hydrochloride (cas 593-51-1) from. This issue is frequently met by customers around EU and other countries by reason that methylamine freebase is regulated by local rules. So that methylamine is bought in available and legal form of hydrochloride form.​

Methylamine hydrochloride​

Procedures​

All calculation are made for 1kg of the final solution.

Preparation of Methylamine 40% mass Water Solution​

1. Methylamine hydrochloride CAS 593-51-1 869g (12.88 mol), NaOH 514.5g (12.88 mol) and distilled water ~700g are weighted.
2. Distilled water ~700g is poured into 2L vessel, which can be tightly closed such as flat/round bottom flask with ground glass cap.
3. NaOH 514.5g is poured there and dissolved completely until transparent solution and ~50-60°C temperature (exothermic reaction).
4. Methylamine hydrochloride 869g is poured into alkali water solution in portions and the flask is closed immediately. Solution is stirred well until a complete dissolution and room temperature. NaCl precipitate is formed.
5. Silicone hose with flask connector is attached to the reaction flask with methylamine freebase.​

6. In a different 2L flask with 600g water a silicone hose is prepared to immersed into the water.
7. Heater is turned on, methylamine solution is simmered and methylamine gas is bubbled through second water solution. Important to say, that hose with methylamine has to be immersed into the water layer after heating about 50-60 °C to avoid a suck-back.

8. In about 15 min the heating of the first flask with NaCl can be stopped and the second water solution is weighted. It has to reach 1 kg.
9. If there is less than 1 kg of solution, continue to heat the first solution and bubble gas through the second one.​

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Note: This method is very approximate by reason methylamine gas is volatile and part of this gas will be lost. The second flask with the solution must be connected with the atmosphere. The best option is a reflux condenser on a second flask that reduces the loss of methylamine.

The methylamine ⩽40% water solution is ready to use.

Preparation of Methylamine 30% mass Methanol Solution
1. Methylamine hydrochloride CAS 593-51-1 652.2 g (9.66 mol), NaOH 385.9g (9.66 mol) and methanol 526.1g are weighted.
2. Methanol 526.1g is poured into 2L vessel, which can be tightly closed such as flat/round bottom flask with ground glass cap.
3. NaOH 385.9g is poured there and dissolved completely until transparent solution and room temperature (exothermic reaction).
4. Methylamine hydrochloride 652.2g is poured into alkali methanol solution in portions and the flask is closed immediately. Solution is stirred well until a complete dissolution and room temperature.
5. NaCl 564.5g is precipitated and has to be filtered (without vacuum).

The methylamine ~30% methanol solution with part of water is ready to use.​

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Note: Water can be removed with help of molecular sieves 3A. In this case, you should add 700g of methanol at the 2 stage to get ~30% solution.​

 

[rampage]

this is what ive been looking for thankyou g.patton, no doubt i'll have some questions

 

[Regis Kimble]

Any time one is dissolving a gas into a liquid, please note that solubility of a gas is far greater in a cold liquid than in one at room temperature.

 

[inno]

Dear Sir, could you please tell me how to store the 40% methylamine solution produced from methylamine hydrochloride so as not to be lost?

 

[G.Patton]

Hi, cold dark place in a tightly closed vessel.

 

[alex12112]

Once the bottle with the first solution has reached a weight of 1 kilo, is it possible to put another bottle in its place (with 600 grams of water) and continue the reaction?

 

[G.Patton]

The second bottle solution has to reach 1kg, first one is a reaction solution which will loose his weight with methylamine free base vapors.
Yes, you can replace bottle with water methylamine free base solution and continue the saturation.

 

[alex12112]

So you have to add more water with caustic soda to the bottle with methylamine to continue the reaction right?

 

[G.Patton]

If you have one glass of apple juice and you'll pour this juice into another glass, will the first glass have more juice if you add there water and caustic soda?

 

[Albert13]

Is it possible to make an aqueous solution of methylamine like in the technology with methanol (in one flask followed by filtration)?

 

[G.Patton]

You'll get NaCl solution and MeNH3 gonna evaporates from oversaturated brine solution. In case of methanol, NaCl isn't soluble in this solvent in compare with water.

 

[Manisj@1290]

Hello sir, can you please share a photo or diagram of the glassware setup to make methylamine HCL free base?
which would be easy for me to understand.

 

[Manisj@1290]

Hello @G.Patton Sir
Please explain this problem, my work is stop here

 

[mrnobody]

thank you g.patton

 

[Albert13]

after boiling a solution with free methylamine base for about 30 min at 65C degrees, reverse suction occurred. I wonder why this is?

 

[G.Patton]

Hello, due to the temperature decreasing, gas is compressed.

 

[Albert13]

Hello, I understand. Thank you very much for the explanation.

 

[Manisj@1290]

Hello sir,
Can methamphetamine be made using methylamine 30% mass methanol solution?

 

[Seekinglife01]

I tried it, gave up half way. Getting the last 20 percent took too long, ony made 20% instead of 40%. 8 hours later. I was hand stirring it. I would add a top stirrer next time, as the plate stirrer didnt do much with all the salt built up at the bottom of the flask. Wish there was another way.

I know there is one pot methord. Adding the naoh/water and methylamine all in one flask but it creates a lot of salt with it. Can this methord still be used for making meth with the nabh4 methord as shown in the videos on this site or does it need to be cleaner methlamine 40%( just like above methord, gas bubbling it into water) for it to work with nabh4 methord.

 

[real4]

Pl
Thank you very much for this free knowledge, please can
This methylamine solution be made into 60%, and can it work for

Hydrogenation method. thanks for replying​

 

[G.Patton]

Hello, what solution do you ask and what is hydrogenation method? Can you be more precise?

 

[real4]

I mean using hydrogen gas in place of aluminum foil

 

[G.Patton]

Dude, I can't read your mind. Hydrogenation of WHAT?
Yes